We're delighted to share with you a conversation between Stefan Wendin, Neo4j's Global Head of Business Design & Strategic Programs, and Stéphane Delysse, Head of IT Business and Data Analysts Team at AFNOR Group. These two have built a strong relationship through their work on all things graphs and had a particularly salient moment when Stephane and his team joined Stefan in the Innovation Lab. They discuss how connected data makes their worlds go 'round, with Stéphane explaining that graphs allow them to get a broad view of all standards, how they are connected between them, and how this categorization can evolve as the world evolves quickly. They also talk about the challenges of explaining or aligning this from a business perspective, and how the Innovation Lab helped bring people together from different parts of the company to work on this subject. The conversation highlights the importance of having a facilitator molding different mental models, avoiding the "expert" trap, and emphasizing user experience. Stéphane shares that the Lab was an astonishing journey, bringing new possibilities for future development and new tools for their customers. He also emphasizes the comfort and enthusiasm of working together despite the challenges posed by the pandemic lockdown.