A Cloud Without Handcuffs

In this discussion between Brandon Philips and Joe Beda, Co-Founders of CoreOS and Heptio respectively, they discuss the increasing risk of a few companies locking in customers as they gain more power over time. They talk about their experiences with Kubernetes and how it was chosen to be open source due to its underdog status at the time. The discussion also covers the tradeoffs between using containers or open-source tech, and how different levels (developer and operational) view these tradeoffs. They emphasize that while lock-in is unavoidable, the risk of it should be weighed against the benefits. They mention that Kubernetes makes lock-in an operational problem rather than a developmental one. The discussion also touches upon how cloud providers are approaching this issue and how Amazon's market position influences their strategies. The conversation concludes with a focus on the value proposition of CoreOS, which includes providing customers with APIs and integrating open source software into their applications. They also discuss the importance of automation in ensuring the security of infrastructure when vulnerabilities appear in the cloud.